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Post by equinox on Apr 7, 2010 10:56:37 GMT -6
The Converting & Basing section points total more than 8 points if you get everything. Is the intention that if you win Best Painted that you get a significant point increase?
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 7, 2010 13:24:48 GMT -6
Sorry about that Equinox. when I was writing this up this morning...I accidentally pulled from the wrong file document on my computer.. It was a misprint...Basing and converting are worth 9 points total.
Total the painting category is worth 30 points. There is no points for three color minimum as this is a painting required event...so if your army is not painted you cannot win awards. Thanks for pointing it out.
I have corrected the paint scoring on the Vanguard website. What is up there is the correct scoring.
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 7, 2010 21:12:21 GMT -6
OFFICIAL SPONSOR:  Woodland Scenics is now an Official Sponsor of the NIMGC Vanguard Tournament. |
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Post by equinox on Apr 8, 2010 8:15:04 GMT -6
Link - Can you show me an example or explain what is considered "extensive and intricate basing"?
Display bases and movement trays are not included in the judging?
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 8, 2010 9:31:50 GMT -6
On movement trays and display bases: No seperate category for these but it will not hurt your score to have them. It also will not hurt your score to not have them. These little details tend to draw peoples eyes though. On "extensive and intricate" basing: Basically I don't want to see a bunch of just painted bases or black bases. What I will do is provide some examples starting with what I consider the minimum of "extensive and intricate" up to the top of "intricate and extensive".     I hope this answers your question John. If not let me know. Any other questions feel free to ask.
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Post by equinox on Apr 10, 2010 8:29:53 GMT -6
I received the following PM elsewhere and want to pass on the questions so I can respond to the person who sent it.
I went ahead and posted the tournament on the RankingsHQ site. Anyone going forward should be directed here if they have any questions or want to register.
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 11, 2010 0:44:04 GMT -6
As long as the model is WYSIWYG and legal according to the Warrior of Chaos book. It is fine. Models do not have to be GW and custom scratch built models are fine. If he still wants to send a photo have him send it to miniature_gamer@yahoo.com or come to this website and register and post it in this thread. Though as I said as long as it is WYSIWYG and Legal according to the book (which I looked thru the book and could not find a reason why it was not legal, correct me if I am wrong) He should be ok.
Players should bring at least two printed lists. One for themselves and one for the Judges. Bringing enough lists for your opponents is not necessary but recommended as most people like this. You are only required to bring two. Preferably printed.
I do not need the lists before hand but I will need a copy of the lists the day of the tournament.
Spectators are welcomed as long as they remember they are spectators and not coaches. You dont see fans at football games telling coaches they made bad moves...the same applies here Spectators should not be helping or hindering either player in their game. Spectators who do not follow this one spectator rule will be asked to stop, and if they don't, to leave.
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Post by equinox on Apr 12, 2010 12:24:42 GMT -6
Thank you sir!
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 13, 2010 20:04:55 GMT -6
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 21, 2010 10:18:38 GMT -6
I am working on some objectives for the Vanguard tournament. I have them all put together and primed...now time to paint them.  These ten towers will be objective markers in Round 2 of the tournament. Special rules will apply for them. I have the scenarios all written out but I am not going to post them till Mid-June. See you guys there. |
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Post by zmbie1 on Apr 22, 2010 20:13:30 GMT -6
You had to get that creepy ass Sam Adams cutout in the pic didn't ya?
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Post by zmbie1 on Apr 22, 2010 20:14:04 GMT -6
Other than theylook pretty good.
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Post by e1567 on Apr 23, 2010 1:35:41 GMT -6
OK so I have two questions/suggestions for the tourney
Could we get scenarios for this thing way before mid June. If such weight is being put on painting of the army (close to a 3rd of your score) I would like to get started on painting my army but I will not start painting an army that will loose every single game because it can't fulfill any of the objective games or adapt to any special rules for the tourney (play testing is crucial for me).
My best example for wanting time to play test the tourney rules is: in the last fantasy tourney at the shop I played in (at the time it was On Board Games) the rules for the tournament were released about a month before the tournament and a special rule was implemented in the tourney where cannons and other siege like weapons additionally scattered so I went light on those weapons assuming(correctly) they would be worthless and I did not prepare to fight against monstrous creatures and lost 2 out of 3 rounds because I had only 1 cannon to try to kill them.
In hindsight I would have fielded one more monstrous creature to help combat enemy creatures but with so little time to play test I couldn't get a feel for the rules.
So I would like plenty of time (more than a month) to test out different armies and get a feel for how the tournament will be played out with my army and I would rather not paint some miniature that I would useless due to any objective based rounds or special rules that might be implemented.
Also I am not all that happy that 20% of my total score is up to my opponents. I have never been a fan of tourneys where my overall performance is in the hands of my opponents opinion.
I would also like to point out that rating of sportsmanship that will add to your over all score is a bad idea. A good example of how this can be abused is at my old shop we paid $25 to get in a tourney so I built an Empire Calvary army with cannons. My opponent in the first round called me a cheese monger and gave me 0 points for sportsmanship(found out from the TO) even though I was polite and played very fast.
I ended up doing poorly in that tournament because I didn't score very high on my sportsmanship even though I scored very high on the battle section (I won 2 rounds and drew the last one) and vowed that would be my last tournament where my opponents bias would dictate my tournament score.
I mean come on if we are going to pay money to enter a tournament we should come with the strongest armies we can build. If we wanted to play solely for fun what is the need to pay money for a tournament.
So if at all possible could we have sportsmanship weighted differently, taken out completely or, maybe left up to the judges.....
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Post by labrnmystic on Apr 23, 2010 5:47:09 GMT -6
If I get a bit more plays with my Skaven army, I'll be interested in joining this.
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 23, 2010 10:14:13 GMT -6
@ Labrnmystic - Hope to see you there.
@ e1567 - I can see your point with the scenarios. The reason why I dont want to give out the scenarios to early is cause i am hoping most players will bring somewhat "balanced lists". I will think about putting them out earlier, let me talk to the other TO and we will make a decision. They wont be out till till may at the earliest because i still want to go over them with other TO. I will tell you this now though. No scenario is going to weaken any unit in any army book.
In regards to sportsman scoring. I also see your point and me and you have talked about your previous adventures at other stores. I highly doubt you will be running into those types of players at this tournament. Also remeber you get scored by three different opponents and then it is averaged...so even if one player docks you hard for your cheese and not your play...it wont hurt your score a whole lot. Sportsman is meant to make it so people stay civil and remember that at the heart of this game, tournament play or otherwise, it is about you and your opponent having a good time. Having played with you personally, sir, I highly doubt you are gonna get knocked that bad. Despite your cheese you were always fun to play.
Also in regards to how sportsman is added into the scoring. remember it only makes up for 20% of your score. Battle points are the biggest chunk with 50% of your score, with painting being 30%. So sportsman is the smallest of the three.
Hope this addresses your concerns Ian.
Remember Folks pre-register goes till end of may. The day of registration will be higher so pre-registering saves you money.
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Post by e1567 on Apr 23, 2010 22:37:50 GMT -6
@ Josh - ok I get your reasoning for the scenarios it's a good point. I'll just play the list I have been play testing then.
I still don't like the idea of a sportsmanship score, it just takes one person to abuse the system to ruin it for everyone. In Rogue traders that is exactly what sportsmanship is, people give bad scores to their opponents if they think their list is unfair. Which is utter bullshit if it is in the book its legal.
If I see an orc and goblin player and if he is not running 2 giants I would feel sorry for him giants are the best thing that army has going. If I see a britonian player playing a buch of units of men at arms I would laugh at him(on the inside of course).
Also if we got with the averaging score if 2 players give me a 20/20 and one person gives me a 0/20 thats still an average of 13 pts which means because of that one person I loose on 7 pts out a 100, thats still rough and it gets even worse if more than 1 person does it to me.
I am going to this tournament fully expecting that every opponent I face will have the strongest army possible and I will probably get a low sportsmanship score for preparing for this. You can hope we will get a group of people that won't do this but there is a good chance we would get someone like that.
I still really don't like that there will be a sportsmanship portion to your overall points. I know I will be a good sport but I know I will get a low score if a play against anyone who thinks taking max character, special and rare choices is unfair.
Ultimately this is your decesion Josh but personally speaking I don't think sportsmanship scores are the best way to ensure civility among gamers like I said earlier the TO's and floor judges can subtract players points for being assholes at least the judges will be less biased than your own opponent.
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Post by RARE CHOICE GAMES on Apr 24, 2010 5:16:33 GMT -6
@ Ian - I see your point sir and will remember it. If i see that scoring at this tournament in the sportsman area makes for an "unfun" atmosphere it may be tweaked for next year. I really dont think it will have as negative effect as you think it will but we shall see. I hope it doesnt.
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Post by Rios on Apr 24, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -6
looks like 8th edition drops July 10th...might be a nice prize
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Post by e1567 on Apr 26, 2010 6:17:52 GMT -6
@josh I hope you are right I really don't want to have to punch someone for daring giving me poor sportsmanship  . But seriously thank you for considering my concerns and I hope they don't come to fruition. Rios - Josh had already mentioned the new hard cover book as a possible prize for this bad mamma jamma. I don't think it will be that bad of a prize. |
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Post by equinox on Apr 27, 2010 22:23:47 GMT -6
The NIMGC puts on an outstanding show and I am certain this tournament will be no exception. I have been pimping this event in WI and over on RankingsHQ, so hopefully some folks will travel for it. On a more personal note, the tournament has been a great inspiration and focus for me, so I am just happy to be coming to it with a fully painted army.
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