Spring 09' Tournament Fundraiser

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SCENARIOS:

"This Is Where Legends Are Born"

Overall Special Rules

Supreme Commander: Nominate one of your HQ characters to be your Supreme Commander. He/She gains the Eternal Warrior special ability if they do not already have it. In addition, your Supreme Commander allows you to take any one Non-Tank, Non-HQ unit as a troop option instead of its standard FOC slot. If the character you selected as your Supreme Commander already has a similar benefit (Such as an ork Big Mek allowing a Deff Dredd as a troop), this is overruled by the Supreme Commander Benefit.

Battle Points: Each battle will gain you battle points, with possible bonus points added for achieving certain objectives each mission.
Win = 7 Battle Points
Draw = 3 Battle Points
Loss = 1 Battle Point
Places will be determined upon total final battle points.

Special Notes:
Minimum battle points obtained per mission = 0
Also, simply destroying all of your opponents does not grant you all the possible bonus battle points. You MUST complete each task at the end of the game to get the points.


Mission #1 - The Face of the Enemy - "Area unknown, secure sectors and report enemy contact."

Deployment: Pitched Battle.

Objective: Seize Ground with 5 Loot counters. 4 are placed 15" from each table edge and side, one placed in center of the map.

Bonus Battle Points:
+1 Your Supreme Commander Survives
+1 Killed Enemy Supreme Commander
+1 Secured at least one opponent's table side objectives.
-1 Your Supreme Commander Dies
-1 Opponent secured at least one of your table side objectives.

Mission #2 - Sow the Seeds of Disruption - "Locate enemy command center, and destroy communications array"

Deployment: Spearhead

Objectives: Capture and Control

Bonus Battle Points:
+1 Your Supreme Commander Lives
+1 Killed enemy Supreme Commander
-1 Your Supreme Commander Dies

Mission #3 - Only One of Us is Leaving Here Alive - "We have them now, prioritize your targets and annihilate the enemy"

Deployment: Random as per normal game.

Objectives: Modified Kill Points
HQ Units are worth 3 kill points (Characters plus retinues must all be killed to get these points. Only killing retinues gets you nothing!)
Elites/Heavy Support/Fast Attack are worth 2 Kill Points
Troops are worth 1 kill point.

Bonus Battle Points:
+2 Your Supreme Commander kills enemy Supreme Commander
+1 Your Supreme Commander Survives
-1 Your Supreme Commander Dies

[Andrew]

Questions:

For instance, Space Marines. If I had a Captain, Chaplain, and a command squad, that is technically 3 HQ's...so each is 3 KP. Command squads and honour guards aren't retinues, simply additional HQ's.

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Good Question...but I cant answer it. Frizzel will have to take that one.

[dragonbait]

I don't have the rules in front of me for space marines offhand, but from what I remember the Honour Guards are only purchasable if you take a Captain/Chapter Master, correct? Going along with that one could say you have to kill the Honour Guard plus the character taken allowing them to be purchased to get the points. On the other hand, you can say that since they operate independently of one another they'd be each be offering 3 KP each. Since they each normally give up a kill point in a normal game that might transist to giving 3 each too.

With the above in mind, for right now I'd rule it as each giving up 3 KP.

[Andrew]

1.) Honour Guards are only purchasable if you take a Captain/Chapter Master, correct?

2.) Going along with that one could say you have to kill the Honour Guard plus the character taken allowing them to be purchased to get the points.

1.) Yes, but...
2.) No, as it is not a retinue by the rules. Can't be bought without a character, but the character doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Matt Ward f-up again.

The honor guard and command squad choices are counted the same as Black Templar Emperor's Champion. It's an HQ but doesn't take up any slots. So by the rules, if I had the Captain, Chaplain, and Command Squad, that'd be 3 HQ's and in total worth 9 KP.

The following Codices have retinues:

Dark Eldar
Space Wolves
Imperial Guard
Tau
Daemon Hunters
Witch Hunters
Black Templars (with the added rule that the IC can still be attacked)
Tyranids

And these do not have retinues:

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Chaos Space Marines
Orks
Eldar
Necrons

[dragonbait]

Yeah, that's why I agree it'd be 9 kill points in that case. I was trying to see if there was any way it could be seen as the other way around with the honour guards and stuff, but nope.

[Andrew]

Another question, about the "non-tank." So could I choose a dreadnought, land speeder, or thunderfire cannon as a Troops as they are not tanks? Or did you mean "non-vehicle." Big difference.

[dragonbait]

I meant non-tank specifically. Make your landspeeder, or your dread, or cannon your troop should you so choose.

[equinox]

WOW... The scenario rules may cause me to radically change my army list for this event.

How are two daemonic heralds scored since they can be purchased as a single HQ choice?
Interesting scenarios and special rules.

[Andrew]

Another question: Did you mean "take as a Troops choice" or "take as a scoring unit?" Vehicles and swarms can never score, so unless your ork codex has a special rule saying they are scoring, you've been doing that wrong I think...

John: it'd be 3 KP for each herald. I'd go with greater daemons anyway. I just made the switch to using two of them, and they make me far happier than my heralds ever did.

[dragonbait]

It appears I have been doing it wrong, although I've used it as a troop my dreadnought actually has never lived to attempt to score. My rule still stands that you can take any non-hq, non-tank as a troop option. Up to you if you decide to make a Landspeeder or Scarab Swarms or whatever as troops. Sure they can't score I guess, but it makes them worth one less kill point for the last mission. Along with taking artillery like a thunderfire cannon as troops, the gun itself can't score but the gunners sure can unless the rulebook states no part of the artillery unit can be scoring, but I don't think it does.

Keep the questions rolling too, I knew the funky special rules would bring up a bunch of "What If's" so it helps to clear the air now. Should be fun to play, I want in =P

[Andrew]

Another question: for taking a unit as Troops. Say I want to take terminators as my Troops. Can I take an unlimited amount of terminator squads as Troops (like in C:SM but with bikes, and the obvious cap is 6 per the FOC) or is it only one FOC selection period. I know it says any one, but it can still be giggered.

Also, for the last mission's KP bonuses, is that having your character kill the enemy character in close combat, shooting, or both are acceptable?

[Andrew]

Oh, and why not just make the last mission a Dawn of War deployment, instead of random? The rest of the missions and deployments follow the order the book goes. It'd just make sense, plus it gives tournament goers the full experience of the current rulebook missions and deployments.

[dragonbait]

You are allowed to take only ONE unit as troops....not any number of that type as a troop, and yes....however you kill them is fine. That last mission I was going to create some other sort of deployment type, but nothing I've come up with has made me happy yet so I am leaning towards DoW.

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Prizes have been updated

[equinox]

So is painting and sportsmanship going to be factored into the event or is this a pure battle points tournament?

[Andrew]

We used to do painting and sportsman, and I wish we still did, as that is important for what kind of armies show up. When we first started it was about fun tournaments without WAAC armies, so we'll see.

[equinox]

Mar 9, 2009 9:57:35 GMT -6 Andrew said:

We used to do painting and sportsman, and I wish we still did, as that is important for what kind of armies show up. When we first started it was about fun tournaments without WAAC armies, so we'll see.

If I am understanding your reply Andrew, painting and sportsmanship are not being judged. Is that correct? I don't care either way, just want to know how much time I need to spend painting between now and the tournament.

[dragonbait]

Painting and sportsmanship will not be weighed in to the final rankings. If we did anything involving them, they would be their own separate categories. You can be an amazing player yet a terrible painter..and I feel that shouldn't hinder your chances. Also, a player can display great sportsmanship while just not being that good at the game. In the future if our spending budget allows, we may include prizes for those categories as well, but not this tournament.

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I agree with Frizzel and have always argued those exact points when talking about painting and sportsmanship in tournaments.

If they are included they should be for seperate prizes only. Also they should be used for tie breakers. Example two people have the same amount of battle points but one brings a painted army the other does not. The painted army auto wins. Lets say they are still tied even with a painting score...than sportsman score is applied

Thats just my opinion.